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  • myuserid
    01-29 08:36 PM
    I am on H4 visa, based in Georgia. Did anyone get �Change of Maiden Name to Married Name� done on passport from Indian Consulate Houston, TX.
    Can anyone tell me what am I supposed to write in the �Surname� column in the new online application form ? The old application had 2 columns, 1 for maiden name and the other for Desired Name, but the new online application form has only 1 Surname column. I am confused as to what should I write � my maiden name or my married name. I do have the notarization done on the affidavit form. Does this give me the right to write my married name ? Which name should I sign in the application- maiden or married name?
    AlsoI have heard that anybody submitting �Change of Maiden Name to Married Name� application in person, to Indian Consulate Houston, has to collect the new passport at the counter in person, the passport will not be mailed to him/her. The passport is only sent by mail to those who have sent the documents to Indian Consulate Houston by mail.
    Is it true?




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  • eb3_nepa
    01-15 12:32 AM
    Hi Guys,

    A friend of mine from India is getting married to a US citizen here. She is coming here on a Fiancee visa (i believe K or V one of them). Does anyone know how long it takes to get a Green Card if you marry a Citizen?


    Any help will be appreciated.




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  • martinvisalaw
    02-23 05:59 PM
    The company can apply for her H-1B on or after April 1, assuming she is subject to the cap. She will be cap-subject if she has never held H-1B status before, and if your company is not cap-exempt. Assuming she and the position meet the usual H-1B requirements, it should be approved for a 10/1 start date.




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  • vikramark
    10-18 09:38 AM
    Thanks Parag



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  • Blog Feeds
    07-09 08:40 PM
    Every once in a while a government agency in the immigration space does the right thing. If I'm to maintain credibility and objectivity in the eyes of readers, I need to call out functional behavior when I see it -- notwithstanding that this blog is dedicated to dysfunctions in the immigration ecosystem. The agency worthy of plaudits is a unit within the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice known as the Office of Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Employment Practices (OSC). Under Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) � 274B(c) [8 U.S. Code � 1324b(c)], the OSC is charged, among...

    More... (http://blogs.ilw.com/angelopaparelli/2010/07/every-once-in-a-while-a-government-agency-in-the-immigration-space-does-the-right-thing-if-im-to-maintain-credibility-and-ob.html)




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  • BharatPremi
    03-27 11:26 PM
    March posting is just declared and now USCIS has taken processing dates back to June 08 2007.

    https://egov.uscis.gov/cris/jsps/Processtimes.jsp?SeviceCenter=NSC



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  • gcformeornot
    04-09 08:37 AM
    I filled 'AOS' in that field

    Did you get your EAD?




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  • krish01
    09-24 02:28 PM
    Hi ,

    Trying to get my green card (11 Years in the waiting) .

    My I-140 was denied / and we have applied for Motion to Reopen . in the meantime, i have my AP approved this 2011. can i switch employer.

    Thanks
    Krishnan



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  • Blog Feeds
    09-11 12:00 PM
    There has been an interesting alliance of antis in both the health care and immigration arenas to scare people in to believing that illegally present immigrants will be eligible for subsidies to secure health insurance under the health care reform proposal being pushed by President Obama. That claim is patently false. But that did not stop one extremist in the Congress, Representative Joe Wilson (R-SC) from screaming "You lie!" when President Obama addressed that myth. This appalling lack of respect has already led the GOP to go in to damage control mode and Wilson issued an apology within minutes of...

    More... (http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2009/09/president-heckled-by-gop-congressman-over-bogus-claim-that-illegally-present-immigrants-will-be-cove.html)




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  • nixstor
    03-11 03:24 PM
    I need at least one person from Vermont



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  • GayatriS
    06-22 04:58 PM
    Yes, I read this article and wanted to read more so I searched for the study this refered to. Here is a link: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=991327

    I think everyone must read this study.

    Gayatri




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  • eb2aug07
    08-05 03:26 AM
    I am Aug 07 filer , I was not able to submit my medicals with my I-485 application .

    I got my medicals done with civil surgeon in sept 2007 and was waiting for RFE to submit the sealed cover . I never got a RFE but I got a interview at local office next month .

    So can I submit the sealed cover that the civil surgeon filled in 2007 or do I need to get all the tests done again now and fill a new form .

    Thanks



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  • indo_obama
    05-29 07:24 AM
    i doubt if thats going to solve the problem.... the illegals will come through tunnels or sea




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  • Blog Feeds
    09-10 12:50 PM
    From Walter Ewing at the Immigration Policy Center: It would seem that the Center for Immigration Studies has decided to jump on the talk-radio bandwagon of far-right commentators who are loudly attempting to derail substantive health care reform through fear-mongering and falsehoods . Although CIS has so far steered clear of the baseless rants about �death panels� and �socialized medicine,� it has issued a new report that seeks to buttress an equally farcical claim: that health care reform will leave American taxpayers footing the bill for millions of unauthorized immigrants who will receive federally subsidized health insurance. Specifically, the report...

    More... (http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2009/09/ipc-targets-myth-that-immigrants-are-driving-the-health-care-crisis.html)



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  • ags123
    10-06 03:14 PM
    Last month dates were 7 Jan 2005.
    This month dates are 22 Jan 2005.
    Still the reported Jan 2005 approvals(, IV ) etc are less than 5.
    Not sure whats happening to these

    New topic for discussion while waiting for friday bulletin :)




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  • a_paradkar
    10-31 01:46 PM
    Friends

    The questions is, if i have an approved I-140 from Company A and I switch over to Company B, then would i be able to file my 485 based on 140 related to Company A when my PD for Labor (company A) becomes current.

    Thanks, please let me know



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  • sri2005_05
    09-19 12:12 AM
    Hi,

    Thanks for reply..Can i file for new LCA right now?Is filing new LCA mean filing new H1-B?
    if i apply for new LCA how easy the procedure will be?




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  • Blog Feeds
    05-30 12:30 PM
    A traitorous American general hanged for aiding the British during the Revolutionary War -- one Benedict Arnold -- said rather cynically: "Law is whatever is boldly asserted and plausibly maintained." This quote came to mind in scanning the latest developments in dysfunctional immigration: With a rider passed by the House to a defense appropriations bill, Congress is poised to approve the phased elimination of the U.S. military's "Don't Ask. Don't Tell" policy. House leaders champion its action as a long-overdue recognition of the civil rights of gay soldiers. Yet the civil rights of binational gay lovers -- trashed by the...

    More... (http://blogs.ilw.com/angelopaparelli/2010/05/immigration-policy-boldly-asserted-implausibly-maintained.html)




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  • fatboysam
    11-02 10:13 AM
    Since I went out using continental airlines , so I shouldn't worry about it.




    mikrupee
    12-03 02:27 PM
    Matter has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get an advice/opinion from seniors/pro.

    How serious problem could be leave employer in the month you get green card who has sponsored you for immigration.


    I am in this situation.

    EB2- india 03-03

    485 app 26 nov 07




    howzatt
    07-18 10:18 AM
    My company and lawyer refuse to talk to me or email me back.
    I sent my completed package to the lawyer 2 weeks back, and I have not heard back from him.

    The initial draft needs to be sent back by the lawyer for signatures and then the file can go out.

    How do I hadle the situation?

    sounds like your lawyer is getting 'instructions' from your company. I would just try to talk to your employer and work out a solution.



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  • El Hacko
    March 20th, 2006, 07:47 PM
    Love the contrast..Lots of black...lots of white...no gray muddled tones...Crisp image.
    Nice shot Freddy

    Lc Approved But I-140 Not Filed 180 Days. Please Help [Archive] - Immigration Voice

    View Full Version : Lc Approved But I-140 Not Filed 180 Days. Please Help





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  • kirupa
    09-13 05:30 PM
    Some portions of the animation might have numerous edges that take a long time for your processor to process. You really cannot avoid that unless you have any background programs running.




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  • techbuyer77
    06-17 08:04 PM
    oh I see.... well lets wait for the best




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  • mrajatish
    11-09 10:32 PM
    No one joined the call - I will reschedule for next Sunday. Folks, please let me know if you want the call at a different time.
    Thanks,
    -Raj



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  • minimalist
    07-30 03:25 PM
    PERM labor certification is for future job. You should be OK.




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  • preeyanka
    02-09 01:36 PM
    Hi,

    I am a doctoral student in clinical psychology, graduating next year in May or October. I am currently on an F-1 student visa and have heard ominous things about getting an H1-b and GC in my field.

    I know I have time and things can change, but it seems like they are becoming more difficult. Hence if there are people out there who have ideas, experiences and information to share about what the process is like for potential psychologists to get sponsored, I would greatly appreciate your reply.

    thanks.



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  • immi2006
    10-29 09:29 PM
    Cisco Systems: Company To Have 10,000 Staff In India By 2010

    October 29, 2007: 07:01 AM EST


    NEW DELHI -(Dow Jones)- Cisco Systems Inc. (CSCO) plans to have 10,000 employees in India by 2010, its chief executive said Monday.

    "We currently have 3,000 employees working in India," John Chambers told reporters on the sidelines of a company event.

    Cisco had earlier said it would shift 20% of its top management staff across all functions to India by 2012

    http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSDEL00066020071029




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  • manderson
    03-23 10:51 AM
    next: Senate has to introduce their version



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  • rolrblade
    03-06 10:19 AM
    Hi,

    I am currently doing my MBA here on a H4 visa. I want to know if I would be eligible to apply for the H1 Visa ( in the 20,000 quota) without converting to
    F1 status. Please advise.

    Thanks in advance...

    You woulkd be eligible provided you have completed your MBA. If you are still working on it then you would not be considered an advanced Degree HOLDER.




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  • satishku_2000
    06-14 02:27 PM
    Processing of 140 applications in NSC now takes 9 to 12 months . The movement of dates only will make things worse for processing of all the applications.

    Hope it does not take more than a year for AP and EAD ...



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  • Blog Feeds
    05-18 11:10 AM
    I think most Immigration Judges try to do their job in a fair way. But there are a few that really cross the line way too often. The press has covered this and I've tried to bring some of these problems to light in this forum. Now EOIR wants people who have been victimized by poor conduct from an Immigration Judge to complain and they've established a complaint portal on their web site.

    More... (http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2010/05/eoir-creates-process-to-complain-about-bad-immigration-judges.html)




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  • Pagal
    06-14 06:30 AM
    Go IV!



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  • Jithesh
    05-25 12:14 AM
    Hi,

    I am here in US working for a company on L1 Visa. My Visa and I-94 expires on November 2010. The company has already applied for my H1. I am planning for a vacation to India in August. I have the following question,

    1. When I comes back to US from my vacation, in September, I dont have to go to the consulate, as my L1 is still valid. And I wont be able to go to the consulate for H1 stamping, as they wouldnt have started the stamping for this year, right?

    2. Once I am back in L1, do I have to go back to India for H1 stamping, as my L1 expires in November?

    3. Or the best method is to visit India after October and get it stamped with H1 from the consulate while coming back from India?


    Jithesh




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  • srikondoji
    12-07 07:31 PM
    However, this was resolved and civil nuclear bill will go ahead for final approval in another 2 days.
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1861966,001301790001.htm



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  • snathan
    02-06 08:50 PM
    hI ATTY I am working under an h1b visa right now as of 2011. But i had a previous petitioned by another employer way back 2006. There was an I-140 filed but it was denied and I never heard from my petitioner then. I do have the USCIS copy and case number. Can I look for another employer and atty that could reopen the case?? Please help me. Thanks

    No...you can not as I-140 is employer's property.




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  • greyhair
    09-23 10:54 AM
    Now Congresswoman Lofgren is also supporting illegals. I always thought that she was in support of high skilled. Skip to the 11th minutes to see the interview of Congresswoman Lofgren.

    September 22, 2010 - Guillermo del Toro - The Colbert Report - Full Episode Video | Comedy Central (http://www.colbertnation.com/full-episodes/wed-september-22-2010-guillermo-del-toro)



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  • kondur_007
    12-19 05:02 PM
    I heard you can file Perm only if you are on H1 or other status and not on EAD (AOS Pending I485).

    That is not true....

    You certainly can file new PERM while on EAD. So go ahead and do EB3-EB2 porting...

    Good Luck




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  • hsm2007
    10-01 12:23 PM
    Anyone?




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  • gcformeornot
    12-10 02:45 PM
    HI ,

    Someone told me that I-140 have to be applied 45 days from PERM approval ? Otherwise PERM will get cancelled. Is that true. Can anyone help here.

    MakaSika
    ..




    Antonio Trivelin
    June 26th, 2006, 08:35 PM
    Who knows when it arrives at the stores ? ( B&H could be ).

    http://www.popphoto.com/howto/2442/nikon-capture-nx-nikons-answer-to-photoshop.html




    div_bell_2003
    12-15 08:05 PM
    I saw soft LUDs on all our applications at NSC (pending 485s, 131s and approved 765s) on 12/12 and 12/15. This should mean some sort of system update on NSC, is it ? or should I look forward to good/bad news :confused: ? My PD is nowhere close to the current cut off date for EB2-I.



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  • nk0530
    06-18 09:50 AM
    I have a question about forming an LLC while being on H1B. I am entering into an agreement with an Incorporated company to provide my technical services to it and in return they need to give me a percentage of the revenue. Clearly, I cannot enter into this kind of arrangement as myself as I not authorized to work in the US. For that I am planning to form an LLC or an Incorporation and my company will enter into a contract with the other Incorporation. Is this legal or will this be construed as an effort to bypass H1B laws? I'll still be doing the daytime job and fulfilling my obligations that I have with the H1B sponsoring employer.

    Please let me know your opinion.

    Thanks.




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  • veni001
    08-04 08:02 AM
    One think people don't get is, whether the current/future job qualify for EB2, It doesn't matter even you have a Phd and the job only requires Bachelor or equivalent then it is EB3, also certain programming jobs doesn't qualify for EB2. First ask your HR for min job requirement!:(

    I have bachelors degree in law and 7 years human resource training development manager. Could I apply for eb2?




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  • akilaakka
    06-25 06:02 PM
    Thank you so much




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  • gcformeornot
    03-22 05:07 AM
    so. But since your 140 is approved the PD is yours. You have to find new employer, start from Labor process again.



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  • atilakmca
    10-14 02:16 PM
    is it possible and advisable to convert H1 B to H4 and go on searching for job and if find a job then coming back to H1? Are there any risks in this process? if so can some one explain me in detail?

    Thanks
    Tilak




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  • b1978
    02-05 12:49 PM
    Hello,

    I-129 approved last year and today I see a soft LUD on this.

    Any idea why there is a soft LUD

    Thank you



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  • tinku01
    07-22 01:01 PM
    How to get interview date schedule at new delhi and mumbai consulate. They havn't issued anything yet although Chennai issued their calendar last week




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  • uimv
    02-21 02:27 PM
    Hello,

    After initially filing I-485, I got FP appointment for photo, signature and 10 fingerprints.
    Will I get another FP appointment notice ? When is it likely ?
    How many times do you get fingerprinted for one I-485 application ?
    Is there a validity date for FP ?


    Thank You.



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  • pd_recapturing
    05-27 11:40 AM
    Guys, I am efiling 765 for EAD renewal. last year, my lawyer filed 765 and sent a G-28 along with that. This time, I am efiling on my own, do I need to send the G-28 ?
    also, please let me know if photos are required to sent after efiling 765.
    my AP is expiring sometime in mid Oct and EAD is expring on 30 Sep. I am efiling EAD on 30th of May, can I do the same for AP though, it will still be more that 120 remaining for AP?




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  • gc_bulgaria
    09-28 07:23 PM
    I have a certain labor category approved 19-#### and AOS is applied . Now the job I am looking at moving to has the same number (19-####) but the job duties are not exactly same. Will this be OK for AC21 or will I have problems?



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  • sunnymit
    02-26 12:25 PM
    When my wife went to get her H-4 stamped, I gave her my original I-797. I think the applicant need to carry the original I-797 document with them for the interview...

    Hope this helps...




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  • raysaikat
    11-28 08:06 PM
    Do we (parent) gets any benefits in terms of Visa status if you have child born in USA and you stay in US for certain years?

    In the other word:
    Once you have child born in USA is there any way to get green card based on your child citizenship?

    Once the US citizen child is an adult (I think 21 years old), then s/he can sponsor the parents for green card.

    Otherwise, no.



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  • anantc
    09-20 03:13 PM
    Thanks Vicky.
    So I have to file regular I-140. Any urls where you can track which is going currently or any weekly/daily updates from other sites..?
    Thank you.:rolleyes:




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  • uslegals
    01-07 11:35 AM
    Hello,
    We have our 485 interview's next week @ the Baltimore Field Office. My PD is current for EB-2. My case is pretty straightforward so hopefully should not be a issue.
    Would appreciate any comments from folks in MD who have been interviewed @ the Fallon Federal Building in downtown.

    Particularly - can they approve our cases right there & then.? Will they stamp our passports for approval since PD is current for January 2011.? Can there be any issued with visa number not available, etc. ?

    Any advice is appreciated.

    Thanks!



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  • sembat
    06-15 01:45 PM
    I have 2 questions.

    - With the PD becoming current, my wife's 485 will get applied anytime within the next month or so by her company lawyers. My GC is just about to be started. I will be adding my name to the 485 application of my wife. Does my GC application date has to do anything with this? I mean if my GC is applied before my wife's 485 (and my name added) or after my wife's 485(my name added), does it have any affect on either one's processing?
    - Another question is does the H1-B extention for 3 years can happen after I-140 application or I-140 approval?

    Thanks in advance for your comments.

    --sembat




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  • pan123
    01-10 02:12 PM
    Guys,

    I remember I have seen this in some thread but I can't find it now. So I am repeating question here:

    My receipt number starts with EAC. In order to check processing times, which service center I should be looking at?


    Thanks,



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  • honge_kamyaab
    06-14 01:59 PM
    Apparently there are people who file for I-485 and I140 without labor approval.
    I don't know how many people did this, but I heard there are cases of this kind.

    What is the validity of this information? If it is valid, what are the risks?

    The person who informed me went further explaining the procedure. He said that one needs to just file and wait for further documentation request from CIS. Upon labor approval complete documentation is presented to CIS.

    Experienced souls, please advise.




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  • fatboysam
    08-22 08:06 PM
    I was on l1b visa from Jun 2008 to Jun 2010, then my company filed my h1b change of status, so now technically i am on h1b status , but i sill have l1b stamped on my passport, i am going to India for vacactions, so i will have stamp my h1b visa, now my question is :

    1. Can the Visa officer ask why your company moved you from L1b to H1b with COS ?

    2. If the officer asks me, do you plan stay in US permanently ?

    What should be the correct answers to these questions ?

    Thanks




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  • SGP
    03-28 05:11 AM
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$GOOD MORNING GC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Deadline = April 30th, 2011
    Goal = 5000 votes on survey (see I-485 filing w/o current PD thread) and momentum to continue with this campaign.The survey is a platform to gather and push for launching action items. Based on response by 04/30/2011 - IV will decide whether to even proceed with initiative or not.
    Actions - 1) Vote on survey.
    2)Email ivcoordinator@gmail.com with PD, ph#,email & subject "I485 filing impacted”,
    3)Print/Circulate Fliers and spread FB, wiki link (see "support thread")


    This is a supporting thread to the "Want to File I-485 without Current Priority Date? Gather here" thread started by pappu.

    As suggested by pappu/starsun, this supporting thread provides impacted members with additional information and tools to help the initiative.

    Visit Immigration Voice Wiki (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Employment_Based_Green_Card#Process_.28EB1.2C_EB2. 2C_and_EB3.29) - for overview of Employment Based - Green Card process
    Visit I485 Filing w/o current PD Wiki (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Current_Grass-Roots_Initiative_-_I-485_Filing_without_Current_Priority_Date) - for overview of this initiative

    As pappu stated in the first post of the above referenced thread - some of the ongoing efforts include finding how many IV members would get benefit from such a provision and get basic details such as username/Priority Date of impacted members. Future action items might include drafting documents and letters to support this provision. There maybe actions such as sending emails etc. However we would not be able to open a public action item unless we can have thousands of our members willing to participate in a grassroots action item. This survey intends to understand the needs of our membership for this provision and collect grassroots information.

    The fact is we have a dedicated group of volunteers (and we need more) who have been trying their best to spread the message about this initiative so that a strong grass-roots support can be created leading up to launch of the public action items. So far we have around 1100 people who have responded. Based on quick calculations carried out using PERM data, it is estimated that there are at least 60K-70K EB applicants waiting to file I-485/EAD/AP (this is a very conservative estimate..the actual number could be much more). Grass-roots initiatives require time and patience and we request maximum number of impacted folks to participate actively.
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    What can you do to participate?
    1) Vote on the poll/survey created by Pappu.

    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum14-members-forum/1599353-want-to-file-485-when-pd-is-not-current-gather-here.html

    Then please send an email to ivcoordinator@gmail.com (starsun) with subject - "I485 filing without current PD - Impacted Member". Include your a) IV username b) Email address c) Phone #, d) State of Residence e) Priority Date - so that grassroot efforts can be coordinated

    2) Print out below Flier and circulate at all asian/indian malls/groceries/theaters. Forward the flier to your friends/co-workers and ask them to do the same.

    I485 Filing Initiative Flier (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/images/a/a8/Flier_I485_latest2.pdf)

    3) Volunteers have created a facebook community and an Immigration Voice WIKI page to spread the message about this initiative. Please circulate these links among your friends/co-workers who will be helped.

    Please "Share" and "Link" and "send to friend" the facebook community via your Facebook account. Also include these two links when you post on the IV forum.

    Facebook - IV I485 filing w/o current PD initiative community (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Immigration-Voice-Grass-roots-Campaigns/150562351660693?v=info)

    (Just FYI that you might have to be logged in for the above link to direct to the facebook community. Alternately, search for "Immigration Voice Grass-roots Campaigns" to find the community after logging in. Search "Immigration Voice" to go to the IV's main facebook page)

    Immigration Wiki -
    I485 Filing Initiative - IV Wiki (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Current_Grass-Roots_Initiative_-_I-485_Filing_without_Current_Priority_Date)

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    PM these members for additional info:
    nmdial ; geevikram ; vbkris77 ; ashwin_27 ; snathan
    Dedicated members can also join the leaders group: http://groups.google.com/group/485-filing-iv-initiative
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    Macaca
    07-20 07:56 AM
    Breakdown in Relations in the Senate Hobbles Its Ability to Get Things Done (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/20/washington/20cong.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) By CARL HULSE (http://www.nytimes.com/gst/emailus.html) New York Times, July 20, 2007

    WASHINGTON, July 19 � Arlen Specter is a senior United States senator who expects to be allowed his say on the Senate floor. So he bristled when Senator Harry Reid, the majority leader, brusquely cut him off at the end of the Iraq debate.

    �The leadership is setting a dictatorial tone,� Mr. Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, said Thursday, still furious over his treatment the day before. �Senators didn�t get here to be pushed around.�

    It may seem small-minded to bicker over a few words at the end of a 24-hour debate. But the clash between the two veteran senators is evidence of a larger breakdown in relations in the Senate, a deterioration in cooperation that is hobbling the Senate�s ability to get things done. The situation is not likely to improve with a presidential election on the horizon.

    As the cots were rolled away and lawmakers left for a decent night�s rest after the around-the-clock debate that ended � like others this year � in stalemate, lawmakers of both parties said they had rarely seen the tone so poisonous and the willingness to work together on the floor at such a low ebb.

    �The last vestiges of courtesy seem to be going out the window,� said Senator Trent Lott, the Mississippi Republican who has served as majority and minority leader. �Every time I think the Senate � Republican or Democrat � has gone to a point where you can�t go any lower, we go lower.�

    It is hardly startling that members of the two parties do not see eye to eye. And the spirit of bipartisanship in the Senate always rises and falls depending on the subject and the election calendar. But seven months into the new Democratic regime, the environment seems unusually hostile. Occasionally, senators do, too, as exhibited in a Sunday television exchange between Senators Jim Webb, Democrat of Virginia, and Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, that looked for a moment as if it might turn physical as the two men argued about the war in Iraq.

    The angry attacks nearly spiraled out of control Thursday night as the two parties lobbed political bombs at each other during the windup of work on an otherwise popular higher education measure.

    After Republicans brought forward proposals intended to embarrass Democrats on terror detainees and union elections, Democrats countered with a resolution urging President Bush not to pardon I. Lewis Libby Jr., a former top White House aide. Republicans struck back with a resolution deploring the pardons issued by President Bill Clinton.

    The floor descended into chaos as members of the two parties glowered at one another across the aisle. Evidently recognizing they had gone too far, party leaders pulled back and agreed to try to finish the education bill as Democrats struck their Libby proposal from the record.

    Hard feelings have consequences. Without agreements between the leaders of the opposing parties, the Senate has been plunged into a procedural knife fight, with Democrats forced to scramble to find 60 votes not just on contentious issues like an Iraq withdrawal plan, but on once-routine matters like motions to proceed to a spending bill.

    The feuding has spilled into subjects that would seem to hold the potential for common ground, like antiterror legislation and lobbying reform, and will doubtless tie up other measures to come.

    Democrats contend that Republicans have embarked on a strategy of delay, using Senate rules to chew up scarce legislative time and deny Democrats any accomplishments. Republicans complain that Democrats are trying to jam through objectionable bills and are mainly interested in building a political case for 2008. The relationship between Mr. Reid and his Republican counterpart, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, has cooled after it was initially thought the two Senate tacticians would be able to do business.

    Senator Edward M. Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat who has been in the Senate for more than four decades, said he was not sure bipartisanship was at an all-time low, but acknowledged things were tense.

    �The fact the Senate is so evenly divided makes big causes out of smaller events,� Mr. Kennedy said.

    Besides the narrow 51-49 majority Democrats enjoy, lawmakers and others attribute what senators deplore as a lack of comity to various reasons, including the emotions surrounding the Iraq war debate, a Republican payback for Democratic stalling in recent years and pure political maneuvering in a hot-house environment.

    Mr. Reid on Thursday blamed Republican ideology, saying the Senate�s conservative contingent was unwilling to swallow legislation sought by most Americans.

    �Republicans in the Senate do not represent mainstream Republicans around the country,� he said.

    Members of both houses have been contending for years that the sort of personal interaction that can lead lawmakers to overcome partisan differences has been on the decline, leaving Congress polarized.

    But Mr. Kennedy, Mr. Specter and others say they find that committee leaders still tend to be able to work together. And a bipartisan group of senior lawmakers put together the Senate�s immigration proposal, though it went down in flames to the broader political divide in Congress.

    Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, the chairman of the Armed Services Committee who has been in the heat of the battle over the Iraq legislation, said he did not believe feelings were frayed beyond repair.

    �The Senate is a unique place where wills are tested, and this was a very important issue that people have very strong feelings on,� he said, referring to the Iraq debate. �Instead of fighting over it physically, there are battles that are fought on the floor of the Senate. But these are important disagreements and they should be aired.

    �Isn�t that what we are here for?�




    Berkeleybee
    04-13 10:47 PM
    There has been a lot of confusion today about the so called "Frist new bill" -- it is just the Hagel-Martinez bill which was brought for a cloture vote before the Senate Easter recess. I have edited to title of the thread with the text of the bill to reflect this.

    To read more and learn about IV's strategy read this post (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=8832&postcount=41).